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  Disassociation - shunning - can we all lobby Government that it is against freedom of religion?

  by stockholm_Syndrome in

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  if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.

  but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.

  i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.

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  We all have the right to decide who we will spend time with, so impossible to ban shunning I think. It is the "institution" shunning that needs to be addressed, and more specifically, "enforced shunning" as practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses. This is what destroys lives, and families. People are not stupid for the most part. If we don't go out of our way to protect a known pedophile, people who have children will decide on their own not to spend time with them. On the other hand, I think most folks really don't care if someone sleeps with their boyfriend, girlfriend, etc. Takes a puff of marijuana, etc. If they do, and don't care to spend time with that person - that is their choice.
  
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  Norway: Hospitals Refuse To Accept JW Blood Card

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  been sent this - could be an interesting story - seems totally unrelated to recent events in canada, but see under the sub-heading 'debate after birth' - translation is via google, which is unfortunately not very good :(.

  from the thursday 8 december 2016 print editon of agderposten newspaper - a norwegian daily newspaper with a circulation of just under 20,000 (so admittedly a relatively small regionally based circulation newspaper).

  jehovas vitner har laget et blodkort for overføring i en akuttsituasjon.

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  This is the response AJWRB has been encouraging for almost twenty years. Good to see it is finally getting some traction. Many JW's ultimately accept blood in emergency situations voluntarily. This kind of policy is really the only way to address the Watchtower's coercive policy in these situations imo.
  
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  Did you ever experience true kindness in the Org?

  by HereIgo in

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  2. experiences

  i remember when i was about 17, i started shunning an older brother because he was disfellowshipped.

  when i graduated high school, he pulled me aside and said " i know you are not supposed to talk to me, but i want you to have this" it was a gift that he had custom made for me.

  i was so blown away, we never even had a real conversation before.

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  Similar to what you find in the world. Some exceptionally kind people, some exceptionally unkind, most somewhere in the middle.
  
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  UK 'blood' court case re:2yo

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  hi orphancrow.

  thought you might be interested in the following, brief, court case summary.

  high court family division - 18 november 2016an nhs foundation hospital v mr and mrs t. http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/ewhc/fam/2016/2980.html.

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  The Watchtower's HLC representatives helped craft a document for Toronto children's hospital that allows children to be transfused without the need for a court order.

  http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding
  
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  Elders/Ex-Elders: Question about Blood

  by JWdaughter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  after many years of objecting to the wt teachings on many levels, blood being one of them, i recently started to wonder (ok, i am slow!

  ) : what exactly does the wt think that the early non jewish christians were abstaining from in the blood abstention bit.

  while i understand the context of the request that the apostle sent to the brothers, i do not understand what jws think they were abstaining from.. meat slaughtered improperly?.

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  Resources here: http://ajwrb.org/bible
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  What if one of the GB members suddenly needed blood?

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  2. bible

  there is not much to be analyzed.

  in a cult enviromment the leader will always look up for himself.

  he would never hesitate to break every rule to save his own skin.

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  At times past, we have reason to believe that there was significant support for disbanding or completely gutting the policy. Difficult to say where that stands at this time. True believers, including GB members if they fall into this category, are typically deluded as we saw with Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite, etc. If so, I would expect them to support it. If they have favored reforming or gutting the policy completely (removing the shunning mechanism), I would not be surprised to see them accept blood if needed to live.
  
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  Watchtower Policy Makes Informed Consent Improbable

  by Lee Elder in

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  watchtower misinformation on blood, coupled with coercion equals undue influence, and makes informed consent nearly impossible for most jw's in life or death situations.

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  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovah-s-witnesses-incapable-of-free-informed-refusal-of-blood-former-adherent-says-1.3829778.

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  Watchtower misinformation on blood, coupled with coercion equals undue influence, and makes informed consent nearly impossible for most JW's in life or death situations.

  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovah-s-witnesses-incapable-of-free-informed-refusal-of-blood-former-adherent-says-1.3829778
  
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  What Comes After the Watchtower Collapse?

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was going to put this in my thread about pyramid schemes, but i thought it's discreet enough to warrant its own.

  1) there are many faithful jws.

  2) there are many men and women who could take control and fill the void if the watchtower collapses.

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  Freedom, and celebration for the most part.
  
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  Canadian current and former JWs questioning the blood issue

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i was interviewed yesterday by stephen smith at the cbc.

  he would also like to interview other current and former jws, along with any elders or hlc members who are questioning the blood policy.here is his contact information:stephen smithweb journalistcbc montreal1-141-62251-514-597-6225email: [email protected] you think you might be a good candidate, you may contact him directly.

  he has agreed to maintain anonymity for those who need it.thanks,lee.

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  No - I'm in the U.S.
  
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  Canadian current and former JWs questioning the blood issue

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i was interviewed yesterday by stephen smith at the cbc.

  he would also like to interview other current and former jws, along with any elders or hlc members who are questioning the blood policy.here is his contact information:stephen smithweb journalistcbc montreal1-141-62251-514-597-6225email: [email protected] you think you might be a good candidate, you may contact him directly.

  he has agreed to maintain anonymity for those who need it.thanks,lee.

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  Lee Elder

  I was interviewed yesterday by Stephen Smith at the CBC. He would also like to interview other current and former JWs, along with any elders or HLC members who are questioning the blood policy.
  
  Here is his contact information:
  Stephen Smith
  Web journalist
  CBC Montreal
  1-141-6225
  1-514-597-6225
  Email: [email protected]
  
  If you think you might be a good candidate, you may contact him directly. He has agreed to maintain anonymity for those who need it.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Lee